I am just posting what those people are trying to hide. Let us see what is going on.You should be proud of your names being mentioned.

Is this community your farm ?! Are we toys here! Why are you constantly purging messages? If you can not stand behind what you write, then stop writing! Why do not you want the community see what you write? Are you ashamed? Be a man put your comments back. Harrasing community members, bullying, policing is the community policy of yours?

Why did Pierre viernes delete his comment Tensibai?

On the internet once you write you can not delete it.

This is in my answer to the question "What is the difference between Sysadmin and DevOps Engineer?"

Stop playing your little games Tensibai. How many times was this thread edited by both of you, you and Pierre Viernes? You are teaming up. You can not silence people.You can not purge history.It is on the internet.Your hunting spree is not working.

Moderator addition: this is in reaction on the comment thread on this answer. For the sake of letting everyone make its own opinion here are the captures of the whole thread:

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  • Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. – Tensibai Nov 8 '18 at 13:04
  • To whom it may concern, and/or anybody who wants my 2 cents about this question: have a look at the revision history of the answer from this OPer, located at devops.stackexchange.com/posts/5344/revisions . It contains the facts (revision history cannot be edited by anybody ...) about how I tried to help improve that answer, compliant to some of the basic rules of any SE site. Last but not least: IMO this question should be deleted, because in no way it adds value to DevOps.SE ... To avoid conflict-of-interest claims (I'm a mod ...), I leave it to others to have it actually deleted. – Pierre.Vriens Oct 11 at 18:30

First of all Pierre do as he wants with his comments, yours has been flagged as no longer needed and when I reviewed it, it was alone and obviously a comment saying "I do not care. You may disagree." was no longer needed anymore.

Comments are not supposed to stay forever, their author can delete them when they want, if enough users flag them they can be automatically deleted and else a moderator review the flags and act accordingly after checking.

Next you insisted on adding name calling in your answer after being told to stop in the edits comments, the whole revision history is visible for all here

Next was this thread, I find it misleading in my opinion hence why I did comment at first.

I did add a remark about using answers as comment because some of your others answers were flagged and I turned them into comment or just deleted because you already had added the same questions in an existing comment. I never censored anything, I moved things into the place they belong to.

I've directed you multiple times to the tour and how to answer, which from your profile you didn't read yet (there's a badge for that).

Next I've told you you could raise the talk on meta, you still added comments everywhere, used answers to post your concern and finally asked on main site (this question I had to migrate here) after receiving an answer ban by the system for those non-answers.

I also gave you the link to the site chatroom if you wished more explanation but out of comments which are not for that, your just refused any attempt to discuss it.

This what it looks like from my window, I let the community voice their concerns on my behavior in their own answers or in the comments here.

  • ""I do not care. You may disagree." was no longer needed anymore." Please just copy over here Pierre Viernes comment. Otherwise you can not sell this. What Pierre Viernes does is harrassing, full of arragonce.I was shocked when I first read it.There is no technical dimension at all. Why do you think Pierre Viernes deleted his message? Because he is so proud of it ? You are teaming up against the SE community members.This is disgusting and falls into harrassment/bullying. Why are you obsessed with not mentioning your both names in the thread? Are you shamed of yourselves? – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 10:09
  • Because I can speak for myself, not for Pierre, his comment was addressing a point in your answer and was not harrassing nor arrogant, I could add it into this answer if he's so inclined. You answered it you don't care, so I assume that's why he deleted it, seeing there's no hope of constructive talk. Once again pay attention to your tone and stay respectful, You have 0 knowledge of how this community behave but you swear I'm working against it and teaming with one its members, that's plain rude and unwarranted. – Tensibai Nov 7 '18 at 10:21
  • "Because I can speak for myself, not for Pierre, " and your words go on to speak on behalf of Pierre Viernes. Nobody buys this. You can not sit behind your keyboard and harass/bully people. AGAIN <analogy redacted>. – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 10:26
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    If I had something against you personally, you'd already be suspended. That's not the case. Now stop with nazism analogies, this won't be tolerated any longer. – Tensibai Nov 7 '18 at 10:28
  • Tensibai.You are doing far worse. You do the purging. Even with your own words you are giving yourself up. You do not live on the planet alone.You have to listen to people, you have to connect with people. This "silent threat" is not gonna work. Harrassing/bullying/policing people is not something you can sell. – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 10:31
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    You also have to listen when someone explain you how a site works, I do purge things when I find them out of the site's rules... – Tensibai Nov 7 '18 at 10:34
  • I would never delete this sentence from any media, printed or not, on this planet. I would not dare to do it. Even it is a part of a discussion that is not even connected. – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 10:36
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    I do here, that's not tolerated on SE network and that's my duty to remove/replace them when I see them. – Tensibai Nov 7 '18 at 10:40
  • whole world is watching Tensabai.Once you wrote it you can not delete it on the internet. – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 10:44

Having read through the material in this thread I think we would all benefit from taking a deep breath and consider what we want from this community.

From my perspective that community is:

  1. A place to post questions and get helpful answers,
  2. A place to engage with other professionals and those interested in DevOps,
  3. A place where everyone is respectful and feels respected.

Tensibai and Pierre along with many others are founding members of this community and pour significant effort into ensuring that this site meets the needs of the community, now and in the future - the commitment of the moderators of this site have my utmost respect and thanks for furthering the course of DevOps via Stack Exchange.

I do not agree with every comment, answer or decision made by the moderators of this community, however, in my experience they have acted with respect, knowledge and good judgement. We are all human and come from different backgrounds, languages and cultures so misunderstandings are inevitable - I implore everyone involved in these threads to bear this in mind and give each other the benefit of the doubt.

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    I'd like to add the fact that electronic communication alone lends itself to a lot of misunderstandings, even without different backgrounds, languages or cultures involved. – 0xC0000022L Nov 7 '18 at 11:19
  • @Richard Slater There should be some kind of watchdog to review the actions of those who hold powers. Founders are not allowed to abuse their position to abuse power. This is a common sense I think in all communities. The most import part is that there must be some zero tolerance to selectively removing material that could support extreme ideas. I am very disappointed to see actions leading to harassment/bullying/policing. What is going on here absolutely terrorizing people. Helping starts with listening to people, connecting with people and trying to understand. I agree to 1)2) – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 11:27
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    The watchdog is here, on meta, if you want me to write down all and every action I took on your posts I'll do it without problem, I didn't as it doesn't seem needed, but I can screenshot all and every deleted answers of yours and what happened to them and give my reasons toward it. That won't do you a favor in my opinion but you're free to ask for it if you want. – Tensibai Nov 7 '18 at 11:35
  • @Richard Slater 3) you do not have to respect but accept.For the benefit of this discussion there must be some regulations to hold accountable founders/moderators,those who hold power.For the people see proper actions being taken.Otherwise this looks like a court room and not a community.Sitting behind keyboard and harassing/bullying people is a very common problem in all communities.Something you can not bury deep. – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 11:42
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    "There should be some kind of watchdog to review the actions of those who hold powers." - There is: as users gain enough reputation to show that they understand how the site works, they gain moderator privileges, to the point that very high rep users are effectively moderators. Also, moderators are elected. – Xiong Chiamiov Nov 21 '18 at 23:06

Purging comments/answers/questions for various reasons in a particular StackExchange site/community is not only allowed, but encouraged - to eliminate unnecessary noise and maintain a high quality of the site. It's a necessary part of curating the site which contributes to making the site valuable to its members and visitors.

While some of this purging is done by the community itself (based on reputation and privileges), some can only be done by the (elected) moderators. Tensibai didn't do anything wrong, in fact I admire his patience in this case (and in general his activity as DevOps moderator) - in other SE communities you would have probably been suspended already.

You might have learned know some of these if you'd have taken the time to go through the site tour, as Tensibai politely suggested. In general when joining a community finding out about the community itself (people, rules, customs, etc) before jumping into judging something about that community is considered respectful/polite.

Anyways, I don't want to spend more time on this subject (it's not for this kind of discussions that I joined DevOps). Take whatever you want from this experience and decide on one of the 2 choices you have:

  • remain in the community - but you'll have to learn more about it and follow its practices (persistence in causing noise or violating the rules can get you suspended/kicked out).
  • leave the community (which you can do at any time, should what you learn gets you at this choice later on)

@hakkikan please bear with the fact that discussion can be cleaned up on the official part. You still have the chat and this meta. Therefore I do not see cleaning up as purging if same argument os archived elsewhere available for all.

  • I can not see from start to end, I mean the history,all actions between the two, because it is possible to see what people do otherwise,I mean all their actions,like timeline. That is why I call it cleanup,like purging deleting traces behind. – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 12:06
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    @hakkican do you want me to write a timeline of every actions taken on your posts with capture of them ? I can do that if you want, will took some time to put everything in order but that's doable if you want. – Tensibai Nov 7 '18 at 13:05
  • Just paste over here the first comment Pierre Viernes wrote. Harrasing/bullying started with that message.Where is it ? Why cant I find it? – hakkican Nov 7 '18 at 15:52

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